862.51 Interest/10

The Ambassador in Germany (Sackett) to the Secretary of State

No. 1475

Sir: Confirming my telegram No. 30 of February 10, 2 p.m.,2 I have the honor to transmit herewith copy of a self-explanatory communication of February 9, from Dr. Dieckhoff, Ministerialdirektor of the Foreign Office. The aforesaid communication is in response to representations which I made personally to Dr. Dieckhoff after conferring with Mr. Frank L. Downey, the representative of Sullivan & Cromwell, the attorneys acting on behalf of the American Founders Corporation. In addition to acquainting Dr. Dieckhoff with the point of view of the Department, as outlined in its telegrams Nos. 211 of December 24, 1931, and 2 of January 7, 1932,3 I argued the case with him on the basis of a memorandum* in which Sullivan & Cromwell set forth their contentions in favor of exempting foreign holders of German internal securities from the reduction of interest rates imposed by Emergency Decree of December 8. Dr. Dieckhoff professed to be impressed by the cogency and equity of the arguments advanced on behalf of the American Founders Corporation and assured me that the attitude of the Foreign Office would be favorable.

[Page 378]

As the Department will observe from the enclosure, Dr. Dieckhoff’s efforts to effect a settlement were unavailing. After lengthy deliberation, the Reichswirtschaftsministerium, in conjunction with the Ministries of Justice and Finance, reached a decision unfavorable to the petitioners. The juridical argumentation, as the Department will note, is based on the thesis that no agreement was entered into between the American Founders Corporation and German debtors which would be impaired by a reduction in the rate of interest payments, that the American company, having bought its securities in the open German market, was pari passu with other foreign owners of such securities, and that the aforesaid reduction of interest payments did not constitute confiscation of property as would the compulsory transfer of the rights of one person to the State or to some third party. An analogy was made to the effects of abandonment of the gold standard.

I have not had an opportunity to study this case in the light of precedent, if any. My impression, however, is that the case is clearly not “iron-clad”. The purchase of the securities in question was speculative, the holders had, I understand, no protection from possible German currency depreciation, and, it might be argued in general that they could not have expected to fare better than other purchasers of the same securities.

If the Department desires to press the case, I believe that, while formal diplomatic representations would not in themselves be able to effect a direct settlement with the German Government, they would at least make possible an admission of the claim to international arbitration. Should a decision be reached whereby the German Government would be obliged to restore the original contractual rights of the holders of the securities, a precedent would be set which would enable other foreign holders of German securities, mortgages and commercial obligations in general, to press similar claims successfully. It may be presumed that large amounts would be involved in such an event.

I shall await the instructions of the Department before taking any further action in the premises. Mr. Downey was fully informed of the nature of Dr. Dieckhoff’s communication to me. He is communicating with his principals who are expected to discuss the matter with the Department.

Respectfully yours,

Frederic M. Sackett
[Page 379]
[Enclosure]

Dr. Dieckhoff of the German Foreign Office to the American Ambassador (Sackett)

My Dear Ambassador: In our conversation of January 8, you were good enough to call attention to the case of the American Founders Corporation, and you asked if the Foreign Office could not in support of the petition addressed by that company to the Reichswirtschaftsministerium use its good offices in favor of amending the so-called Fourth Emergency Decree of the President of the Reich in such a manner as to exempt the securities held by the American Founders Corporation from the reduction of interest provided for on said decree. In the meantime, the question has been thoroughly studied by the Reichswirtschaftsministerium; I am sorry to say, however, that the decision arrived at is unfavorable to the petitioners.

The Memorandum prepared for the Reichswirtschaftsministerium by the American Founders Corporation, copy of which you left in my hands, assumes that under the terms of the Emergency Decree of December 8 and of the accompanying Regulations of December 23, the securities held by the American Founders Corporation are effected by the compulsory reduction of the rate of interest. This assumption is correct. The interest provisions of the decree do not affect obligations issued abroad, nor German loans floated abroad, nor financial operations in the nature of loans that have been carried out in foreign countries. The securities owned by the American Founders Corporation do not come within any one of these three categories. They are, all of them, German obligations officially traded on a German stock exchange. According to the express wording of the Regulations, such obligations are in no case to be considered as issued abroad and their rate of interest is, accordingly, to be reduced. There can, of course, be no question of a loan floated abroad, nor even of a financial operation in the nature of a loan.

The Memorandum attempts to show why, in the opinion of the American Founders Corporation, the provisions of the Emergency Decree should be changed in their favor, and it is argued that such a change would be possible without interfering with the effective operation of the decree. We are unable, I am sorry to say, to accept that view. The considerations that have led to exempt from the interest reduction provisions the three categories mentioned above do not apply to the case in question. No agreement has been entered into between the American Founders Corporations and German debtors which would be impaired by a reduction of the rate of interest [Page 380] payments, and the American company having bought its securities in the open German market can not claim or expect a better legal position than any other foreign owner of such securities. To agree to the request of the American Founders Corporation would go far beyond the exemptions written into the Regulations of December 23rd. To extend still further these exemptions, which are to be regarded as an extreme limit, would interfere with the very purpose of the whole action. The necessity mentioned in the Memorandum of establishing genuinely foreign ownership would be more of a technical question and an issue of secondary importance.

The Memorandum of the American Founders Corporation finally refers to the treaty of commerce existing between the United States and Germany4 and in characterizing the reduction of interest as a confiscation of property suggests that the decree violates the terms of said treaty. Yourself, my dear Ambassador, seemed to share that opinion. In reality, however, the reduction of interest does not constitute confiscation of property, i.e. the compulsory transfer of the rights of one person to the State or to some other person no more than, for instance, the abandonment of the gold standard would constitute a confiscation of property. It is rather a measure intended to facilitate the return to pre-war conditions with regard to the lending of money in Germany. The Emergency Decree reestablishes 247 of the German Civil Code which provides that a debtor, who has contracted for a rate of interest exceeding 6 per cent per annum shall be entitled to withdraw from his contract after giving due notice of his intention to do so: a right which, according to the Civil Code, can neither be excluded nor limited by any provision of the contract. This provision was repealed in the period of inflation. It is in harmony, however, with a theory of law that has again become prevalent within the last few years, namely that a contract obliging a debtor to pay more than 6 per cent interest on his debt fastens an unbearable burden upon him which he must be in a position to throw off, and that interest agreements of this sort jeopardize society and the State. Simply to re-enact 247 Civil Code would, in any event, have caused serious difficulties, if for no other reason because of the relationship existing between mortgages and the bonds of mortgage institutions. The agreement adopted in the Emergency Decree is meant to help overcome these difficulties. You will recall in this connection that after exempting from the interest reduction the three above-named categories the reduction applies only to such legal relations in respect of which it may be assumed that the contracting parties intended to submit to the rules and principles of German law.

[Page 381]

No one would deny that the purchases by foreign residents of interest-bearing securities were highly welcomed in Germany, providing, as they did, in no small degree for the credit needs of the home market. But the lowering of an unreasonable interest level was the first prerequisite of the economic and financial recovery which the German Government is determined to bring about. While a measure of this sort was bound to injure creditors both at home and abroad, it may, at least, be expected to make the capital claims underlying all these interest obligations more secure than they were before.

Believe me [etc.]

Dieckhoff
  1. Not printed.
  2. Latter not printed.
  3. The Embassy is informed that Sullivan & Cromwell are in touch with the Department and have fully informed it in the premises. A copy of the memorandum is therefore not enclosed. [Footnote in the original.]
  4. Foreign Relations, 1923, vol. ii, p. 29.